HearPeers Heroes Adam Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 in 1983, total cost for CI was 15,000.00 U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Kara of Canada Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Wow. That's expensive even for that time!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 According to this U.S. Inflation calculator, since 1983. cumulative rate of inflation is 138%. This means that price would now be exactly $35,695.33. http://www.usinflationcalculator.com BUT how many cochlear implants were sold then and how many today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Also, it is expected that U.S. market will grow approximately 15% per year: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cochlear-implant-market-growing-14-060000069.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 This is just for 1 year -June 2012 - June 2013. http://www.medel.com/cochlear-implants-facts/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Adam Posted February 16, 2016 Author HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Mine were 50,000.00 each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Mary Beth Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 It's actually difficult to fair comparisons as some CI center's include activation and a set number of mappings appointments in the fee and others bill separately for each item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I have read some data that Medicare pay 75,000 USD per 1 implant in 2015. Academy states that expenses could raise up to 100,000 USD depending of various factors: http://www.entnet.org/content/cochlearimplants Very confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 It's actually difficult to fair comparisons as some CI center's include activation and a set number of mappings appointments in the fee and others bill separately for each item. Exactly - question is whether the first price is just cost of device or in total with costs of surgery and all professionals involved in the process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Kara of Canada Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Well now remember that is including the surgery as well. Mine was about $45,000. For one up here in Ontario. $9600 for the implant/processor and $34000 for the surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Well now remember that is including the surgery as well. Mine was about $45,000. For one up here in Ontario. $9600 for the implant/processor and $34000 for the surgery. CAD or USD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Sandy Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I was told when I had my CI two years ago, it was $35,000 CDN. For a new Rondo the cost is $11,000. I priced it with my audiologist last October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Kara of Canada Posted February 16, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Cdn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms_D Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 My surgery had like three different bills - one (I think the main one) was $39,000. There was other bills that were high too. I know that it probably total at least $45,000. I only had to pay my total out of pocket expense which was $3,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Adam Posted February 19, 2016 Author HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I have not heard of the 75,000.00 number before. That's pretty high. Here in the U.S. Each hospital negotiates with the CI companies to come up with a price they are willing to pay for the implants. If the hospital feels the price is too high, they can choose not to offer that implant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Mary Beth Posted February 19, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Okay friends. I looked at my insurance claim statements for my first and second surgeries. Both in 2015 at the same CI center. This does not include any of the tests or appointments leading up to qualifying for the CI nor does it include activation or subsequent MAPping appointments as they are all billed separately at my center. In the US, every insurance company negotiates rates with hospitals etc. So the insurance company receives a bill but then pays only the allowed amount. Depending on whether you have met your annual deductible and maximum out of pocket expenses, you may have to pay a portion of the allowed amount. As long as your providers are in network, you are not responsible for the difference between the billed amount and the allowed amount. If your providers are out of network, you are responsible for that difference which is why we find in network providers. These were the allowed amounts (paid by my insurance company and a bit by me): February Right CI surgery total was $46,237.48. October Left CI surgery total was $46,976.64. Thank goodness for great health insurance! Mary Beth Ms_D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Adam Posted February 19, 2016 Author HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Yep, that sounds about right, Marybeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 19, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I have not heard of the 75,000.00 number before. That's pretty high. Here in the U.S. Each hospital negotiates with the CI companies to come up with a price they are willing to pay for the implants. If the hospital feels the price is too high, they can choose not to offer that implant I do not know - if I open 3 links each one will have different amount of spent money and it will not be even close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 19, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Okay friends. I looked at my insurance claim statements for my first and second surgeries. Both in 2015 at the same CI center. This does not include any of the tests or appointments leading up to qualifying for the CI nor does it include activation or subsequent MAPping appointments as they are all billed separately at my center. In the US, every insurance company negotiates rates with hospitals etc. So the insurance company receives a bill but then pays only the allowed amount. Depending on whether you have met your annual deductible and maximum out of pocket expenses, you may have to pay a portion of the allowed amount. As long as your providers are in network, you are not responsible for the difference between the billed amount and the allowed amount. If your providers are out of network, you are responsible for that difference which is why we find in network providers. These were the allowed amounts (paid by my insurance company and a bit by me): February Right CI surgery total was $46,237.48. October Left CI surgery total was $46,976.64. Thank goodness for great health insurance! Mary Beth Excellent - thank you Mary Beth for clarification. As I do not live in the U.S. I do not have the feel how to understand your health system. When people talk outside about U.S. from Europe, for instance, it seems to us almost impossible that you can afford yourself these costs because we just do not understand the system. But ok. The price of implant in Croatia is cca 14.000,00 USD. Annually, national health-care system makes procurement for approximate number of planned implant. Costs of the implantation and hospital-stay is cca 3.000,00 USD without any map session which is conducted in the separate center for implantable technologies - I do not know what are their costs. If the implantee is a child up to 18 years, everything is paid out of state budget pocket; if the person is older it can pay up to 20% of costs of hospital stay or with additional insurance, do not pay anything. Our health-care costs are not deductible at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Mary Beth Posted February 19, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 The health insurance system here can be complicated to explain. One benefit here is that there is no limit to how many CIs can be implanted in children and adults in a given year. If you qualify and your insurance approves the implant, you can get the implant. Thankfully there are ways to get implants in many countries through their various health systems! In the end, that's what we want. CI access for all who want them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Adam Posted February 19, 2016 Author HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 "Complicated to explain" is a big understatement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Kara of Canada Posted February 19, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Exactly!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 19, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 The health insurance system here can be complicated to explain. One benefit here is that there is no limit to how many CIs can be implanted in children and adults in a given year. If you qualify and your insurance approves the implant, you can get the implant. Thankfully there are ways to get implants in many countries through their various health systems! In the end, that's what we want. CI access for all who want them. Well, lots of countries - lots of choices... You just need to choose the right path for yourself.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Adam Posted February 19, 2016 Author HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Understood Ivana. Most people don't have a choice of insurance due to expense if you go outside what your employer offers. Generally that does not make a difference though as pretty much all insurance companies will approve. Some after one rejection. Ha's are not covered in the U.S. Because it is considered a prosthetic device. CI's. Are different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearPeers Heroes Ivana Marinac Posted February 20, 2016 HearPeers Heroes Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Understood Ivana. Most people don't have a choice of insurance due to expense if you go outside what your employer offers. Generally that does not make a difference though as pretty much all insurance companies will approve. Some after one rejection. Ha's are not covered in the U.S. Because it is considered a prosthetic device. CI's. Are different. HAs with more functions are not approved in Croatia either. Just the basic one. Unilateral CIs are paid - but all "over" standard has to be paid. Other implant solutions are not covered either. In this point I see the problem and find the insurance policy in my country far from satisfied. At least we can have a choice to pay more so we can get more options. Politics.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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